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  Double Standards - Where is the line drawn?

  by msil in

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  i was happy when the yadrif was given the boot - we never needed the spread of hatred and name calling.

  it seemed as though everyone felt the same way.. i find it hypocritical that as long as you are "influential in the xjw community" or if you run a big anti-jw website you can call anyone names and you can post any obscene drivel as long as it is a song which you dedicate other posters.. i find it ironic that a "well-respected" poster (and i could give a damn what his past actions or brave deeds are, or what fancy essays he wrote) would call me a biggot in chat for asking simple questions but then he would defend the stuff kent wrote in reference to aguest.

  i don't give a damn if it was written by frank zappa or some other crack-smokin' loser - the fact that they are song lyrics is irrelevant.

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  Spider,

  Why would the watchtower spies at head office be rubbin their hands with glee?

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  Leaving or not

  by Norm in

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  the thread about people leaving has made me think of the 7 years i have been on the net and participated in various witness and ex-witness e-mail groups or discussion boards.. in these years i have seen many a person, which for various reasons come and go from such forums.

  there are of course as many opinions as there are people and in such diverse groups there will always be debates about every conceivable subject there is.

  people who come out of the watchtower society seems as a group particularly ill equipped to deal with disagreements and strong debates but of course some more than others.

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  Well said Norm.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  That Group Never Existed!

  by COMF in

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  shelby said in this post --> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=11080&site=3.

  2. thus, i went back using the forum 'guest' default (because i thought that was what he meant).

  after some time, uncle bruce started referring to me was lwf, lifesbeersfree, etc., etc., and he and others assumed i had a 'church'... or 'group' that called ourselves "lifeswaterfree", because we all issued the same invitation.. shelby said, on h2o:.

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  A small portion of a transcript of Jonestown final moments:

  Jones: I've tried my best to give you a good life. In spite of all I've tried, a handful of people, with their lies, have made our life impossible. If we cant live in peace then lets die in peace. (Applause) . . . We have been so terribly betrayed . . .

  What's going to happen here in the matter of a few minutes is that one of the people on that plane is going to shoot the pilot - I know that. I didn't plan it , but I know its going to happen.. . . .So my opinion is that you used to in ancient Greece , and step over quietly , because we are not committing suicide-its a revolutionary act . . . . We cant go back . . . .

  First Woman : I feel like that as there's life, there's hope.

  Jones:Well, someday everybody dies .

  Crowd : That's right , that's right!

  Jones: What those people gone and done, and what they get through will make our lives worse than hell... But to me, death is not a fearful thing. Its living that's cursed... Not worth living like this.

  First Woman: But I'm afraid to die.

  Jones: I don't think you are. I don't think you are.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  The 'Line' and your Freedom of Expression

  by lisaBObeesa in

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  freedom of speech is a good thing.

  but any good thing can turn into a bad thing when it is taken to extremes.

  personal attacks do not need to be protected.

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  lisaBObeesa,

  I agree that some use profanity and other things to get their point across but it's hard to draw the line as to what gets censured.

  For the most part I think things get worked out and if some one you know post offensive then don't read it and don't respond if it bothers you.

  But when we censur where will we stop, when some says sommething we don't like.

  I think the board will censur itself in away by are not responding to posters who are vulgar or abusive.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  That Group Never Existed!

  by COMF in

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  shelby said in this post --> http://www.jehovahs-witness.com/forum/thread.asp?id=11080&site=3.

  2. thus, i went back using the forum 'guest' default (because i thought that was what he meant).

  after some time, uncle bruce started referring to me was lwf, lifesbeersfree, etc., etc., and he and others assumed i had a 'church'... or 'group' that called ourselves "lifeswaterfree", because we all issued the same invitation.. shelby said, on h2o:.

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  I think the we is= me, myself, and I.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  Double Standards - Where is the line drawn?

  by msil in

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  i was happy when the yadrif was given the boot - we never needed the spread of hatred and name calling.

  it seemed as though everyone felt the same way.. i find it hypocritical that as long as you are "influential in the xjw community" or if you run a big anti-jw website you can call anyone names and you can post any obscene drivel as long as it is a song which you dedicate other posters.. i find it ironic that a "well-respected" poster (and i could give a damn what his past actions or brave deeds are, or what fancy essays he wrote) would call me a biggot in chat for asking simple questions but then he would defend the stuff kent wrote in reference to aguest.

  i don't give a damn if it was written by frank zappa or some other crack-smokin' loser - the fact that they are song lyrics is irrelevant.

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  I think Simom is a smart man, and I think he doing a great job.

  Maybe you oughta join Wol.

  Maybe that might be more to your liking.

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  When and Where D'fed or such....

  by StifflersErSlayersBrother in

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  a while back there was a post on when/where baptised... i thought i'd do the complete opposite :).

  as for me.... sometime in the near future maybe

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  Disfellowshipped for apostasy 6/01 Sunnyvale,CA
  1st committee 5 elders.
  appeal committee 3 elder + 5 elders 1st committee
  

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  Guilty as Charged... I confess....

  by AGuest in

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  to the "inquisition" of these days... that is on jw.com... may you have peace.. because there seems to be a 'movement' to 'expose' me as false, and judge and condemn me as a 'jezebel' and more... i would hereby like to confess my 'sins' and 'errors'... and repent my actions/inactions... before you... and all onlookers... if you will permit me.

  thank you.. i confess... that i am a servant to the household of god, israel, and a slave of christ, by means of an anointing with holy spirit, which i received directly from the person of my lord, the son of god, jaheshua mischajah.. i confess... that i have been given the 'free gift' of holy spirit, in the form of hearing spirits, discerning inspired utterances, so that i hear not only the voice of my lord, the but voices of various spirits, so i am able to relate to others that hear, as well as those that do not hear... what the spirit says to the congregation.. i confess... that i have been freely given other 'gifts' of that same spirit, which gifts manifest themselves in me in various ways and which gifts i have not attempted to hide from anyone... man... or god.. i confess... that i have a love for my father and my lord to such an extent that i would subject myself to public humiliation, before all men, bear reproach now... and endure a 'torture stake' for the glory that awaits me, which glory i have nought but faith in, because i have heard of its certainty... and received my 'sealing'... directly from the one the promised such glory, my lord, the son of god, jaheshua mishajah.. i confess... that i have agreed to 'repay' my lord for his love and kindness... the undeserved kindness granted me... in the only way that i can... by obeying his voice and going to the household of god, those that go with them, and any others who are 'thirsting' and 'wishing'... and telling them that the same gifts and glories undeservedly afforded me... can be granted to them as well.. i confess... that as a true servant to the household of god, by means of undeserved kindness, i have been granted to know the fruit of my father's spirit that is love... for all of mankind... including my enemies.

  a love such it compels me to tell what i hear to those who wish to hear of it, even at risk to my own spirit... whether they hear... or they refrain.. i confess... that contrary to what is 'usual' among so-called professed 'christians' and 'anointed', i have not sought to compel people to follow me, or to join any church, religion or other institution of 'theology', and will not, but instead, have asked and spoken only that any who 'hear'... and any who wish to hear... hear... and follow the voice of the fine shepherd, my lord, the son of god, jaheshua mischajah.... i repent... that i am but mere flesh and blood, a woman, a 'foolish thing' and 'weaker vessel', so that i do not always have the strength to stand against the opposition facing me, although i have wished no harm, no evil, no malice toward any.. i repent... that at times my forehead is not as hard as flint, and my heart is not so protected so as not to feel fright when facing off with my adversary and his agents.. i repent... that i do not possess in me the gifts of the spirit that grant miracles, such that those who do not believe can have the 'scales' removed from their eyes so as to see the things 'unseen', things almost too glorious for me to utter... with their own eyes... rather than simply ask for and be granted the 'free gift' of holy spirit and see for themselves.... i repent... that i do not possess in me the 'perfect' love that would move me to not feel hurt and pain when derided and ridiculed, but be able to say to my father, as did my lord, "forgive them father, for they do not know what they do.

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  Justamom,

  Your movie story was so touching:
  

  She was EXONERATED in the end!! Great movie....

  Sound familiar folks?

  But you must know it was just a movie.

  I saw the movie about JIM JONES and the 900+ people dead because they were suckered by a nice man who just became a little egotistical.

  It was a great movie too. The big difference it was real!
  

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  God no god? Scholarly pseudo schorlarly?

  by D wiltshire in

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  first off i beleive in god's existance.. that being said, let me proceed.. there is much so-called scholarly debate on both sides, but lately on this forum it has been brought out what scholarly and pseudo-scholarly is.. scholarly: compiles facts then makes deduction based on all facts as best as unbiasedly possible.. pseudo-scholarly: makes deduction then compiles selected facts that support deduction, giving little validity to the contrary.. .

  so my point is if these definitions are true then the only one that can provide scholarly work on the existance of god is an agnostic since those from the other 2 camps fall in the pseudo-scholarly collectors of facts.. i admit that my beleif is from selected facts and a discounting of others that i feel quite probably are wrong, but not from facts always but because i'm not a scientist and don't keep up with all the data availible, it would be so so tireing for me.

  to me in my mind it works.. so then can either camp(the beleiver, or nonbeleiver) prove that they are unbiased and that they collect facts and look at them dispassionatly?.

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  Jan,

  I think you misunderstood me:
  

  Your gentle ad hominem above merely serves to hide you have no evidence, either.

  I'm not trying to argue or hide anything. I am simply expessing my feeling that partiality is shown on both sides.

  As an example the existance of matter in the universe.

  Both sides have their arguements and there (facts(theories)).

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.
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  God no god? Scholarly pseudo schorlarly?

  by D wiltshire in

  1. jw
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  first off i beleive in god's existance.. that being said, let me proceed.. there is much so-called scholarly debate on both sides, but lately on this forum it has been brought out what scholarly and pseudo-scholarly is.. scholarly: compiles facts then makes deduction based on all facts as best as unbiasedly possible.. pseudo-scholarly: makes deduction then compiles selected facts that support deduction, giving little validity to the contrary.. .

  so my point is if these definitions are true then the only one that can provide scholarly work on the existance of god is an agnostic since those from the other 2 camps fall in the pseudo-scholarly collectors of facts.. i admit that my beleif is from selected facts and a discounting of others that i feel quite probably are wrong, but not from facts always but because i'm not a scientist and don't keep up with all the data availible, it would be so so tireing for me.

  to me in my mind it works.. so then can either camp(the beleiver, or nonbeleiver) prove that they are unbiased and that they collect facts and look at them dispassionatly?.

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  Thanks Alan,

  I'm really greatful for you last response.

  Makes sense.
  

  I'll defend your right to say it, but it doesn't mean I beleive it.